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Iain Lindsay will leave his posting in Budapest next week, and will soon retire from his service at the Foreign Office. In his final interview for Magyar Nemzet, the United Kingdom’s Ambassador to Hungary talks about his stance on the current situation of Brexit, his memories of Hungary, how, as a Scotsman, he can identify with Hungarians, and we also got to know about his favourite Hungarian wine region.<\/strong><\/div>\n
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\u2013 This is my fourth or fifth interview with you, which in itself proves that you have been one of the most active ambassadors in Budapest in the last few decades. Do you believe this activity has contributed to the strengthening of ties between the United Kingdom and Hungary?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 I suppose the proactivity comes from three causes. The first one is that this is just who I am. I don\u2019t believe in sitting in an office. They say that ambassadors are sent abroad to represent their country. I don\u2019t think an ambassador can do that sitting in an office. The ambassador is the public face of a country.<\/p>\n

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\u2013 So the activity doesn\u2019t only stem from your duty, but also from your personality?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 Yes, that is my style, but there is also a strong expectation from the part of the Foreign Office that ambassadors do promote the UK. We have a global status that requires us to be out there. We\u2019re the fifth largest economy in the world, the second largest in Europe, we\u2019re a member of the UN Security Council, and a leading European member of NATO in terms of the contribution we make. Of course there are issues, whether it be the green agenda, our work on fighting modern slavery through to a whole range of rights issues where we are global leaders. There is also a third element to this. It has been particularly important in the context of Brexit to show that we are leaving the European Union, but we\u2019re not leaving Europe.<\/p>\n

I am very conscious of the fact that our departure from the European Union has hurt Hungarian national interests. But we\u2019ve done that because we\u2019re protecting our own national interests.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Your leadership has been very clear that Hungary is losing a very important friend in the European Union. There\u2019s been a huge amount of media in Europe and some in Britain that has basically said since the referendum, that the result was a mistake. Your government was the only government who put an advert in the British media saying: \u201eit\u2019s your decision, but we would like you to stay\u201d. We need to be self-aware as diplomats that there are a whole bunch of people in this country who are deeply sad that we\u2019re leaving the European Union. So I felt it was really important to show that we still regard Hungary as a close friend and ally, and to reassure everyone about the steps we have taken to protect the rights of Hungarian citizens living in the UK. We\u2019re still here.<\/p>\n

My embassy hasn\u2019t shut up shop either on the 31st January, nor will it do so later on.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So for all of those reasons I have felt it has been necessary to really make an effort to be out there. For all the pomp and circumstance, the pictures of the Queen, Buckingham Palace, Trooping the Colour, there is another aspect of Britain which is that we\u2019re actually a very down-to-earth country, where a lot of people from around the world feel at home there. My duties are not only about meeting P\u00e9ter Szijj\u00e1rt\u00f3, the Hungarian foreign minister, but being the sponsor of Budapest Beer Week, or taking part in the Hungarian Interchurch Aid\u2019s charity run, being on stage at the Palace of Arts (M\u00fcpa), helping the Scottish football fans to contribute money to renovate a nursery in J\u00f3zsefv\u00e1ros. Our embassy is not just a foreign government\u2019s office, we\u2019re not just nice diplomats living a nice life in R\u00f3zsadomb, but I and my team and my embassy are part of this community.<\/p>\n

\u2013 Your four and a half year term here in Budapest was defined by Brexit. You arrived a few months before the 2016 referendum and will leave a few months before the United Kingdom and the European Union hopefully agree on a free trade deal. How different has your term here been because of Brexit compared to your stay in Bucharest for example?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 It\u2019s difficult to say, because I\u2019d have to try to imagine what life would have been like here as an ambassador without Brexit. When I applied for the job in the summer of 2014, Brexit wasn\u2019t on the cards, a referendum wasn\u2019t on the cards. So I wanted to strengthen the bilateral relationship, keeping in mind that we\u2019ve never had so many Hungarians living in the UK. In a way, Brexit has added an extra layer of difficulty in terms of the sheer quantity of work involved, in terms of explaining why we made the decision to leave the European Union, what our position was during the withdrawal negotiations, and explaining the several months of parliamentary uncertainty. What it did do is that our decision to leave the European Union has made it even more important that we put greater emphasis on trying to strengthen the bilateral relationship. After Hungary joined the European Union in 2004, certain elements of the bilateral relationship dissapeared because they were being dealt with in Brussels. My aim and objective was that by the time we leave the European Union, our bilateral relationship is in a better place. I think the defence relationship with Hungary is significantly better \u2013 I can very much thank the two Hungarian ministers of defence, Istv\u00e1n Simicsk\u00f3 and Tibor Benk\u0151 for that. The economic relationship is stronger, there are more British companies here, more people working for them. There are more young Hungarian companies expanding into the UK.<\/p>\n

Politically the relationship remains very good. No other European Union country has been as sympathetic, supportive or as honourable as Hungary.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\u2013 Are you satisfied with the way the Brexit process has evolved?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 Obviously we had our delay in our departure, which was originally meant to be at the end of March 2019, but eventually we ended up with a withdrawal agreement. It would have been good if we could have stuck to our original plans, but as they say, that\u2019s democracy, folks. It was difficult for the Theresa May minority government to get the legislation through parliament. Many of my friends in Europe thought the Westminster political debates were some sort of theatre or comedy circus. Actually, I thought it was a perfect example of democracy in action. Obviously the delay has meant that the amount of time available to negotiate a free trade agreement has been curtailed.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not sure whether some members of the European Union understand that we want to be a sovereign, independent nation.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

That means continuing to be a rule-taker from Brussels or Strasbourg or Luxembourg cannot be part of the equation. The European Union are saying that unless there is progress on fisheries and on competition, we cannot make progress in other areas. Unless the European Union takes a more pragmatic approach, there is obviously the risk that we won\u2019t reach an agreement.<\/p>\n

\u2013 What were your most memorable moments in Budapest?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 I\u2019ve loved being here, I\u2019ve loved working here. I\u2019ve hugely appreciated the chance to get to know Hungary, to learn the language, to get to know people. I\u2019ve enjoyed Hungarian hospitality and friendship and the Hungarian way of life. I\u2019ll miss Hungary, but I know that it\u2019s very much a case of Viszontl\u00e1t\u00e1sra (see you again), not goodbye. The last six months have been difficult. The worst moment of the four and a half years was the death of my deputy, Steven Dick at the end of March from coronavirus. That had a huge impact not just on me personally, but also on my team in the embassy, the British community, and the outpouring of grief and sympathy from the Hungarian community was just huge. Probably my proudest moment was leading the March of the Living last year, with 10 to 15,000 people commemorating Jane Haining, the Scottish holocaust hero. Another highlight was being asked by the Brisith Maccabi team to lead their team into the stadium and to hold the flag at last year\u2019s Maccabi Games. Similarly getting the opportunity to perform at the Palace of Arts (M\u00fcpa) with the Danubia Orchestra \u00d3buda, reading in Hungarian the lyrics of Benjamin Britten\u2019s The Young Person\u2019s Guide to the Orchestra. And even just recently getting a short chance to go on stage during the Pusk\u00e1s musical. Seeing Scotland win against Hungary, I\u2019m sorry to say, in the friendly match a couple of years ago was also great.<\/p>\n

\u2013 I am by no means offended that you were happy for Scotland\u2019s victory. What are your thoughts however about Ferencv\u00e1ros beating the Scottish champions Celtic not so long ago in Glasgow?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 As a Rangers and Debrecen fan, I would have been very happy for a goalless draw. Well done, Ferencv\u00e1ros! It wasn\u2019t good news for Scottish football for Celtic to lose so early in the Champions\u2019 League. I was very pleased for my friend \u00c1d\u00e1m Bogd\u00e1n, the new Ferencv\u00e1ros goalkeeper, who played in Scotland for Hibernian.<\/p>\n

\u2013 Having mentioned football and Ferenc Pusk\u00e1s, I believe it wouldn\u2019t be far-fetched to say that Pusk\u00e1s is the most well-known Hungarian in the world. In the past four and a half years what were some of the historical events or historical figures, whose lives have particularly caught your interest?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 First of all the man who built this house (the interview was conducted in the residency of the British ambassador), Tibor Scitovszky. The British government bought the portrait, that had been painted of him in this house. Tibor Scitovszky was a Hungarian diplomat involved in the negotiations in Trianon, he was briefly the Hungarian foreign minister, and I\u2019ve gotten to know the story of him and his wife, Hanna. They emigrated to the USA after World War II when it was clear that the Communists were going to be the dominant figures. Their portraits were painted by another Hungarian who has not been very well known in Hungary, Philip de L\u00e1szl\u00f3, who was the greatest portrait painter of the first half of the last century. He painted popes, presidents, prime ministers, emperors, kings and queens.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve gotten to know more about poets like Mikl\u00f3s Radn\u00f3ti and Gyula Juh\u00e1sz, whose works I\u2019ve got to know courtesy of one of my Hungarian teachers in Debrecen, who said to me: we\u2019ve done enough politics, we need a little bit more Hungarian culture for you.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

That\u2019s how I started getting interested in Hungarian poetry. I suppose particularly S\u00e1ndor Pet\u0151fi has a huge place in Hungarian history, and Robert Burns is regarded as the Scottish Pet\u0151fi. There are many connections between Scotland and Hungary through literature, poetry and culture. I got to know a lot more about people like Istv\u00e1n Sz\u00e9chenyi and Gyula Andr\u00e1ssy who previously were just names I had seen but didn\u2019t know much about. Thanks to Sz\u00e9chenyi of course we have this fantastic connection with Britain and the L\u00e1nch\u00edd (Chain Bridge), which is a very much bigger version of the chain bridge at Marlow, which he had seen.<\/p>\n

\u2013 You talk about connections between Scotland and Hungary. Is Hungary in any way present in the minds of Scottish people today?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 The oldest link between Scotland and Hungary is Saint Margaret of Scotland. Born in Hungary to saxon political emigr\u00e9es, who had fled England because of the Danish conquest. She married a Scottish king and is revered in Scotland as the only Scottish royal saint. Schools, universities, colleges are named after her. The oldest building in Edinburgh is the Saint Margaret\u2019s Chapel in Edinburgh Castle. The L\u00e1nch\u00edd (Chain Bridge) was designed by William Clark, but the guy that everyone remembers and got the square named after him is Adam Clark who was the chief engineer on the project. He\u2019s from Edinburgh. The Scottish Church has been here in Hungary since 1841. The reformation links between Debrecen and Edinburgh are still current. Although the Scottish community here is obviously smaller than the English community, the Scots here are much more organised. The Robert Burns Foundation has raised over a million euros for Hungarian children\u2019s charities and hospitals. I think Scots have a particular affinity with Hungary. We\u2019re proudly independent as you are, and we\u2019re proud of who we are. Never before have so many Hungarians lived in the UK. In 1956 20 to 22,000 Hungarian refugees made the UK their home. In the last decade 120 to 140,000 Hungarians have made the UK their home. I\u2019m really hoping that that community can be a strong link between the two countries.<\/p>\n

\u2013 What is your favourite place in Hungary?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 My favourite town is Szeged, my favourite region would be the Balaton-felvid\u00e9k. In Budapest there are too many places to mention. A very special place is the Gell\u00e9rt Hill on an evening and you see this fantastic city lit up in the dark. It\u2019s just astonishing. It is also a joy to get the number 2 tram from Margaret Bridge to the Great Market Hall. That\u2019s just fairytale stuff.<\/p>\n

\u2013 Are there any particular Hungarian foods you\u2019ve enjoyed?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 I\u2019ve enjoyed too much Hungarian food. Guly\u00e1s soup is my favourite, there\u2019s a wonderful restaurant called M\u00e1rkus Vend\u00e9gl\u0151 which is down near Mammut shopping centre, and almost every Saturday in winter I go down there and I need my spicy paprika to heat me up a bit more. My three favourite cakes in no particular order are Esterh\u00e1zy cake, fl\u00f3dni and Epres kardin\u00e1lis. The latter is a Debrecen special at the Mandula cake shop, which I used to go to every Sunday when I was in Debrecen to learn Hungarian. My life in Hungary seems to have been dictated by cake, wine, p\u00e1linka and food.<\/p>\n

\u2013 What is your favourite Hungarian wine region?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 I think probably Szeksz\u00e1rd. It\u2019s got a great range of wines, everything from big reds to to excellent ros\u00e9. I think that wines are Hungary\u2019s best kept secret. Astonishing quality. Selfishly, living in Hungary, I\u2019m glad that you don\u2019t export a lot more wine.<\/p>\n

\u2013 You\u2019ve switched to speaking Hungarian a few times during this interview. How well do you feel you have learnt our language?<\/strong>
\n\u2013 It has become more natural. I like the fact that when I find that it\u2019s too difficult, I\u2019ll shift into English and then back into Hungarian. It makes life very difficult for interpreters.<\/p>\n

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