{"id":1100068,"date":"2023-05-04T13:28:04","date_gmt":"2023-05-04T17:28:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.bocskairadio.org\/?p=1100068"},"modified":"2025-01-03T18:24:07","modified_gmt":"2025-01-03T23:24:07","slug":"we-are-all-hungarian-cultural-diplomats-a-conversation-with-kalman-magyar-sr","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bocskairadio.org\/en\/we-are-all-hungarian-cultural-diplomats-a-conversation-with-kalman-magyar-sr\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018We are all Hungarian cultural diplomats\u2019 \u2014 A Conversation with K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr."},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>This\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/777blog.hu\/2023\/05\/03\/mindannyian-magyar-kulturdiplomatak-vagyunk-beszelgetes-magyar-kalmannal\/\"><em>interview<\/em><\/a><em>\u00a0was first published in Hungarian on\u00a0<\/em>777.hu<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong><em>I first met K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar at the Pontoz\u00f3 Hungarian folk-dance festival, the biggest of its kind in North America held this year [2023] in New Brunswick, New Jersey, where he was the president of the jury. I was also interested in his adventurous private life<\/em>\u2014<em>he immigrated to America with his father at the age of 18, after his mother left with his twin sisters six years earlier<\/em>\u2014<em>but he insisted that we should focus on the Hungarian American folk dance movement, in the revival and renewal of which he and his wife played a decisive role in the \u201960s and \u201970s, and which he himself didn\u2019t think would still flourish in the diaspora fifty years later<\/em>.<\/strong><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">***<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>How do you evaluate this year\u2019s competition, compared to the beginnings?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The experience is still fresh now, but I\u2019m trying to collect my thoughts. To compare, I have to tell you how it started. After the great waves of immigration following World War II and the Hungarian revolution and freedom fight in \u201956, Hungarian folk-dance groups began forming also in New York. In the meantime, negative competition started, too: everyone collected the materials from somewhere and kept it for themselves, said bad things about the others, etc. I fell into this environment in the \u201960s, when I became the artistic director of the Hung\u00e1ria dance group in New York, and I didn\u2019t understand it. I thought that our common goal was to share our Hungarian folk culture and preserve it as a public treasure. That\u2019s why in \u201974 we brought together all the dance groups from New York in the Hungarian American Athletic Club (HAAC) in New Brunswick, which was a very big thing at the time: they performed on the same stage and had a positive attitude towards each other. By the way, the young people had no problems with each other, but the leaders\u2026 In addition, a few years later, there was a Hungarian festival in the huge outdoor stage in Holmdel, New Jersey with a capacity of 10,000, organized by Rev. Imre Bertalan, in agreement with the leaders of the state of New Jersey. I turned to him and suggested that we bring something special there, for example, a folk-dance festival. That was the first Pontoz\u00f3. We disqualified three large, established groups, because we wanted to give an opportunity to the smaller ones, so finally seven or eight dance groups competed and an American group\u2014with only American members\u2014won.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In the meantime, my wife\u2014who I know due to folk dancing, since I met her in the Hung\u00e1ria folk dance ensemble\u2014started a publication, called\u00a0<em>Karik\u00e1z\u00f3<\/em>. This was a quarterly magazine in the pre-Internet age, where we reported on dance events and shared reviews. The magazine developed along with Pontoz\u00f3. Since Judit and I were already teaching at folk dance camps, we had an increasingly large circle of acquaintances, and it became our goal to get together with the dance groups outside the New York region.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_37120\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-37120\" style=\"width: 714px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"entered lazyloaded td-modal-image wp-image-37120\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-714x1024.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 714px) 100vw, 714px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-714x1024.jpg 714w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-209x300.jpg 209w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-768x1101.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-1072x1536.jpg 1072w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-1429x2048.jpg 1429w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-scaled.jpg 1786w\" alt=\"\" width=\"714\" height=\"1024\" data-lazy-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-714x1024.jpg 714w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-209x300.jpg 209w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-768x1101.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-1072x1536.jpg 1072w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-1429x2048.jpg 1429w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-scaled.jpg 1786w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 714px) 100vw, 714px\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Judit_Pontozo_1984-714x1024.jpg\" data-ll-status=\"loaded\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-37120\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Judit and K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar dancing at the Pontoz\u00f3 Festival in 1984 PHOTO: courtesy of K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr.<\/figcaption><\/figure><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As a next step, we organized the first Hungarian Folkdance Symposium, which was also an important event, because it provided an opportunity for further education: we brought the best dance teachers from Hungary and provided live music. Later, I asked my friend K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Dreisziger, who led the Kod\u00e1ly ensemble in Toronto, to take over Pontoz\u00f3, and we agreed that there would be a district competition every year, and a main competition every other year, for the previous year\u2019s winners. We built it on the Hungarian model, like many things in folk dance. The Symposium was a new idea, because there were different ethnic folk-dance camps, mainly on Balkan folk music and dance, which is why we also organized a Hungarian camp.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>What were the sources of Hungarian folk life at that time here?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">At that time, we had nothing\u2014no information, no materials, no live music, no professionals\u2014so we progressed very slowly. What we saw here at Pontoz\u00f3 today is very similar to amateur competitions in Hungary\u2014both in terms of music and dance, since nowadays we have more and more events with live music. Two bands performed today, and my grandson Lacika Hajd\u00fa-N\u00e9meth, who lives in Hungary, also played. In the \u201860s and \u201970s, there were dance ensembles that performed ballets to the music of Brahms, and they thought it was Hungarian folk dance. This was understandable, but it was only an imagined romance, it had very little to do with the original Hungarian folk music and folk dance. At that time, the dance hall (<em>t\u00e1nch\u00e1z<\/em>\u00a0in Hungarian) movement started in Hungary and our goal was to persuade Hungarian Americans to follow suit. So we grew simultaneously with the folk dance movement back home, the merits of which I don\u2019t need to describe, but if it had to be summed up in one sentence, it would be: the transfer of traditional village culture to the city populations.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_37114\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-37114\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"entered lazyloaded td-modal-image wp-image-37114\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-1024x717.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-1024x717.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-300x210.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-768x538.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-1536x1076.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-2048x1434.jpg 2048w\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"717\" data-lazy-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-1024x717.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-300x210.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-768x538.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-1536x1076.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-2048x1434.jpg 2048w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Hungaria_Pontozo_Passaic_1978-1024x717.jpg\" data-ll-status=\"loaded\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-37114\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Hung\u00e1ria ensemble performing at the Pontoz\u00f3 Festival in Passaic in 1978 PHOTO: courtesy of K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr.<\/figcaption><\/figure><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">By the way, there are new attempts to focus not only on dance, but also to save the village lifestyle\u2014animal husbandry, clothing, religious life, and communities. For example, in Kiscs\u0151sz, the life of the entire village is about the preservation of traditions. The Cleveland Scouts folk dancers are also trying to connect with this movement: they regularly visit Pal\u00f3cf\u00f6ld and live with the locals. The reason the girls were able to present the\u00a0<em>karik\u00e1z\u00f3<\/em>\u00a0dance so beautifully, because they experienced it in its original environment.Another very important element is the connection between generations, the example setting. My children and grandchildren play music and dance. Lacika has just been invited here as a first violin player (<em>pr\u00edm\u00e1s\u00a0<\/em>in Hungarian) and he has played music with his old friends and performed with his other grandfather, who leads the church choir and led a special choreography on the stage called\u00a0<em>F\u00e9rfier\u0151<\/em>\u00a0(\u2018Male Power\u2019). But the Kosbor or the T\u00f3th families were also on stage together\u2014and that\u2019s why I liked the Schachinger family\u2019s performance, where the parents and their children were dancing together. If you involve your children, i.e. you don\u2019t just take them to dance lessons and deal with your business, but you participate in it together with them, then this culture will become much more ingrained in your children and will probably remain important for their whole lives.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Does Pontoz\u00f3 reach the level of Hungarian amateur competitions also in terms of quality?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The quality is not always of the highest level, but I don\u2019t want to criticize anyone right now, it wasn\u2019t the job of the jury either, we\u2019ll sort that out at the professional discussion after the competition, but we won\u2019t criticize them, for example, because in the\u00a0<em>R\u00e1bak\u00f6zi<\/em>\u00a0dance they took on the costumes of eight different villages. Or, for example, two people came from New Hampshire, who keep Hungarian culture alive there\u2014why should we tear their dance apart? I\u2019d rather kiss them a hundred times. They are going to dance at the celebration on March 15 in Boston, because there is no dance group there (yet). If I criticize them strongly, they lose their enthusiasm. Everyone received recognition because they deserved it for participating and for nurturing Hungarian folk culture once or twice a week.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_37122\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-37122\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"entered lazyloaded td-modal-image wp-image-37122\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-2048x1536.jpg 2048w\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-lazy-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-2048x1536.jpg 2048w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_Pontozo_NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg\" data-ll-status=\"loaded\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-37122\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr. in 2023 PHOTO: Ildik\u00f3 Antal-Ferencz<\/figcaption><\/figure><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">This is the level where we can safely say: every step, every dance was good\u2014because they are much further ahead than we were when we started. I remember when the Hungarian State Folk Ensemble toured here, and I complained to their director about how difficult it was for us here, because we had neither material nor live music, Mikl\u00f3s R\u00e1bai replied: \u2018K\u00e1lm\u00e1n, just do it anyway, because the most important is that you do it!\u2019 I took that as a guideline and didn\u2019t mind if we got one step wrong. Today we should know the right steps, because we have access to teachers, materials and even live music also in the diaspora.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>What about quantity? We saw twenty or so young people of the same age in the Cleveland Reg\u00f6s group, but no one else, not even the New Brunswick teams, had those numbers.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The quantity is another matter, it\u2019s not just about folk culture. It\u2019s clear that the Hungarian communities are constantly shrinking and weakening, but that\u2019s natural. It shouldn\u2019t be viewed with sadness, because thank God we don\u2019t have a national tragedy and therefore no mass immigration from Hungary has taken place lately, unlike before, subsequently to the World Wars and the revolution of \u201956, or very recently, for example, from Transcarpathia. The Ukrainian community in Pennsylvania, around Pittsburgh, is getting stronger now. We don\u2019t and shouldn\u2019t have that. There were huge Hungarian enclaves for instance in Pittsburgh or Youngstown, Ohio, but they have assimilated into the American communities over the past few decades. There are no dance groups in Akron, Ohio anymore either, but there are still some in places like Cleveland, Ohio or New Brunswick, New Jersey or Chicago. But the number of Hungarians is decreasing here as well: women used to stand in line to cook in the HAAC; today there are hardly any who are willing to volunteer. I remember that every week at St. Stephen\u2019s Church in New York, they made such donuts (<em>f\u00e1nk<\/em>) that people came from all over the city to have some, but those generations passed away and the younger generations didn\u2019t take these community traditions over. As I said, this is a natural and unstoppable process; especially since we are no longer isolated.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Would that also mean that it\u2019s not worth doing anything about it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">That\u2019s not what I meant. There is a village, \u00d3b\u00e1nya, near P\u00e9cs, Hungary. We went there recently, and the Bible was read in German at the Sunday mass, even though Germans migrated there over 500 years ago, but the few German-speaking parishioners who are still alive insist on it. This doesn\u2019t work in America: the McDonald\u2019s culture is too strong here and absorbs everyone\u2019s ethnic identity\u2014unless one consciously acts against it. I note that the Hungarian state has recognized this and is trying to help, for example with the K\u0151r\u00f6si Csoma S\u00e1ndor Program (KCSP) scholarships. If we didn\u2019t have such good KCSP scholars \u2014community organizers sent by the Hungarian State to the Hungarian communities of the diaspora with a fixed-term scholarship, typically in their twenties\u2014this festival would not have been organized to such high quality either.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Where there is help and there is a strong community activity, folk dance, scouting, Church and Hungarian school, there will be survival. Elsewhere, Hungarian communities will disappear. It\u2019s natural and doesn\u2019t bother me. This is because, as I said, there is no national trauma. In addition, those who are in the enclave are all ambassadors of Hungarian culture. Me, you, and everyone who lives here and does something for Hungarians. This needs to be strengthened, which is why, for example, dual citizenship or the ReConnect Hungary Program are also very useful. The point is that the absolute number of those claiming Hungarian descent in the American censuses, approx. 1.5 million, has remained largely unchanged over the past few decades. Even if the communities dwindle, there will always be those who will do their best to be \u2018Hungarian\u2019. Because what does it take for someone to remain Hungarian in the diaspora? You need a Hungarian identity\u2014for me, this was strengthened in America, for example, through Hungarian scouting and Hungarian folk dance\u2014and a culture you are proud of that you don\u2019t throw away and don\u2019t replace. However, as noted, you need a Hungarian community in which you want to participate, and with the help of which you can strengthen your Hungarian identity. Folk dance and folk music are one of the best tools for this; it can even cross language boundaries.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Do you refer to the fact you can\u2019t hear the American accent when one sings? Or to the fact that a Japanese couple also participated in this competition? Or that the bass player of the local Hungarian F\u00e9szer Band is of Slovak origin?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">For these as well, but not only. The Japanese couple are members of the Chicago team, but they live far from the city and sometimes fly two hours to Chicago for a rehearsal. The Japanese are very fond of Hungarian folk music anyway, S\u00e1ndor T\u00edm\u00e1r was in Japan often, but they were also fanatically loved in Hong Kong. The Tisza group in Washington DC was once purely American, now there are also Hungarians in the group, and they are doing excellently, because their founding leaders, Cathy and Rudi, went to Ny\u00edregyh\u00e1za, Hungary, where they learned not only dance, but also the language. But these are exceptions; there are not many American groups dancing Hungarian folk dance anymore, because\u00a0<em>t\u00e1nch\u00e1z<\/em>\u00a0has taken over this role. There will be many Americans in tonight\u2019s\u00a0<em>t\u00e1nch\u00e1z<\/em>\u00a0as well. For example, I just met Claire Bright, who also likes Hungarian music very much, and created\u2014at my suggestion\u2014the F\u00e9nyes Banda (Bright Band).<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_37121\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-37121\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"entered lazyloaded td-modal-image wp-image-37121\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-2048x1536.jpg 2048w\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-lazy-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-2048x1536.jpg 2048w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Magyar-Kalman_japan-fellepok_Pontozo-NB-2023_credit-AFI-1024x768.jpg\" data-ll-status=\"loaded\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-37121\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr. on stage with the Japanese performers at the Pontoz\u00f3 Festival in 2023 PHOTO: Ildik\u00f3 Antal-Ferencz<\/figcaption><\/figure><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>You said several times that our culture is the most beautiful in the world\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Yes, because it has been proved: there is no coincidence that the Hungarian<em>\u00a0t\u00e1nch\u00e1z\u00a0<\/em>method was added to UNESCO\u2019s list of intellectual heritage, in the register of best conservation practices. This is very special: we learn our own culture on an organized basis, thanks to Halmos, Seb\u0151 and T\u00edm\u00e1r. Hungarian dance has charm, the dance of Kalotaszeg and Mez\u0151s\u00e9g is wonderful. It\u2019s like rock n\u2019 roll for African Americans. You have seen the little ones dance and sing, haven\u2019t you? It\u2019s all about the relationship, about life\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>\u2026but what does a foreigner see in it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The Japanese are not interested in the text, but in the dance, which is new to them, because men can hold the women\u2019s hands, for example. Did you see the dancing woman\u2019s face today, how stiff it was? Only the man could let himself go. In America, there was an international folk-dance movement that flourished from the \u201950s to the \u201980s, it was called \u2018international folk dancing\u2019. Participants got together regularly and learned to dance folk dances of various nations, mainly Bulgarian, Romanian, Serbian, mostly dances that do not require having a partner. My wife and I also got into this movement. Judit and I were often invited to folk dance camps, where we taught them Hungarian dances for one or two weeks. We taught short choreographies; they really liked the special music and the steps\u2014in those few minutes they felt like Hungarians. As a dance teacher or organizer, nothing else gives me a better feeling than seeing people who like and respect my culture\u2014because those acknowledge me as well. The most important thing for every human being is to be recognized and respected, I think.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>In an interview, you stated that family comes first, even before Hungarian identity or folk dance.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I saw many positive and negative examples, from which I learned a lot. The former were, for example, Tibor Cseh, G\u00e1bor Bodn\u00e1r, Andr\u00e1s Hamza\u2014I followed them. We invested a lot of time into folk-dance, financially too\u2014if we hadn\u2019t done it, I would have a much bigger house today, but there was no question about doing it. I might have organized a tour until 2 a.m. in the morning, but I had to be at work at 8 a.m. The most important thing was to support my family. It\u2019s not enough to nurture your Hungarian identity, you have to do everything to maintain a happy family life. That\u2019s why I considered myself having a double identity and didn\u2019t mix the two: I was American at work; they knew that I was from Hungary, but I didn\u2019t discuss my involvement in Hungarian cultural life. It wouldn\u2019t have been a smart thing to mix it up, because the Americans would not have understood why I was organizing Hungarian folk events and tours, instead of going to a baseball or football game? I\u2019ve always led a double life, and I think most of us are like that. Nowadays I can put the two together since I\u2019m the boss of my own company, but as a subordinate it wouldn\u2019t have worked out well.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>\u2018There was no question about doing it\u2019, you said. Why?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Because this is the greatest experience for us. I\u2019ll give you another example. When we toured with the 1848 program of the Hungarian National Dance Ensemble, it touched the audience so much that during the last dance everyone jumped up and started clapping\u2014the show always ended with a standing ovation. I saw that the audience\u2014Hungarians and non-Hungarians\u2014were very enthusiastic, completely captivated by the dynamic Hungarian folk dance and music. Or look at this festival\u2026 Fifty years ago I would not think it would turn out like this. Back then, we didn\u2019t think so far ahead, we just simply loved it and wanted to do it. Our folk culture had to be researched, it was a mystery to be learned, and we just had to do it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>In other words, you still \u2018do it\u2019 today, in Hungary and at the age of 78\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As I always say, we\u2019ve been re-immigrants (<em>visszidensek\u00a0<\/em>in Hungarian) for the past 13 years and we feel very much at home in Hungary. And as long as I\u2019m able to do so\u2014both in my company and in the field of folk dance\u2014I\u2019ll definitely work and support Hungarian folk culture.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ildik\u00f3 Antal-Ferencz<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hungarianconservative.com\/articles\/interview\/hungarian-folk-dance-identity-culture-hungarian-american-pontozo-festival-kalman-magyar-sr\/\">hungarianconservative.com<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>This\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/777blog.hu\/2023\/05\/03\/mindannyian-magyar-kulturdiplomatak-vagyunk-beszelgetes-magyar-kalmannal\/\"><em>interview<\/em><\/a><em>\u00a0was first published in Hungarian on\u00a0<\/em>777.hu<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong><em>I first met K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar at the Pontoz\u00f3 Hungarian folk-dance festival, the biggest of its kind in North America held this year [2023] in New Brunswick, New Jersey, where he was the president of the jury. I was also interested in his adventurous private life<\/em>\u2014<em>he immigrated to America with his father at the age of 18, after his mother left with his twin sisters six years earlier<\/em>\u2014<em>but he insisted that we should focus on the Hungarian American folk dance movement, in the revival and renewal of which he and his wife played a decisive role in the \u201960s and \u201970s, and which he himself didn\u2019t think would still flourish in the diaspora fifty years later<\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"more-link-wrap\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bocskairadio.org\/en\/we-are-all-hungarian-cultural-diplomats-a-conversation-with-kalman-magyar-sr\/\" class=\"more-link\"><span aria-label=\"Continue reading \u2018We are all Hungarian cultural diplomats\u2019 \u2014 A Conversation with K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr.\">(more&hellip;)<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":43,"featured_media":1084464,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[196],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1100068","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-local-events-and-news"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>\u2018We are all Hungarian cultural diplomats\u2019 \u2014 A Conversation with K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr. &#8211; Bocskai R\u00e1di\u00f3<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bocskairadio.org\/en\/we-are-all-hungarian-cultural-diplomats-a-conversation-with-kalman-magyar-sr\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"\u2018We are all Hungarian cultural diplomats\u2019 \u2014 A Conversation with K\u00e1lm\u00e1n Magyar Sr. &#8211; Bocskai R\u00e1di\u00f3\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"This\u00a0interview\u00a0was first published in Hungarian on\u00a0777.hu. 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